These findings have been exaggerated by the recession. Employers know they have the upper hand in this job market and they are exploiting it with lower job offers and high expectations of the candidates. They are far less willing to pay high placement fees when they have no problems drumming up applicants on their own. Recruiters aren't the best bet now, but they will once again be a viable resource when the economy gets back on its feet. Regardless of which sources are the strongest, the more avenues you use, the better your chances are of landing the right job. Happy hunting. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Rooney [mailto:seanat_private] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:59 AM To: Alfred Huger Cc: securityjobsat_private Subject: Re: Would that be appropriate content for securityjobs list? (fwd) I must say that this fellow's certainly got a good point when it comes to job hunting, recruiters are fine and dandy when they actually are effective. Yes, use all possible resources if need be. Job hunting is hard in an economic recession to begin with. it is extremely good to see that employers themselves are posting jobs. These are more faith inspiring than recruiters posts in my experience. good luck! good hunting -sr At 13:33 1/30/2002, Alfred Huger wrote: >Hey folks, > >A user of the list asked me to fwd this message on to the list. Here you >go. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >My long (4.5 months) security job search just turned successful so I >decided to post some curious statistics for the enjoyment of esteemed >list members. > >Time spent: 4 months and 12 days of near full time job searching. > >Position sought: mid-level technical > >Methods used (order of decreasing efficiency): >1. Friends >2. Company web pages >3. Job sites >4. Recruiting firms > >Offer received: 1 >Interviews: 4 >Phone interviews: 4 (not counting those resulted in regular interviews) >Interview offers rejected: 3 >(was invited after job acceptance) > >Interviews, phone interviews and interview offers resulted from: > >Friends and connections: 3 (all good in-person interviews) >Response to posting in this list: 2 (from these 1 offer accepted) >Direct application to position on company website: 6 >Direct application based on monster posting: 1 >Recruiters: 0 > >More details: > >Resume given to friends: ~10-20 > interviews: 3 >Unsolicited resumes sent to jobs@company: ~50-70 > interviews: 0 >Resumes submitted thru job sites: ~70-100 > interviews: 1 >Resumes sent in response to positions on company sites: ~50 > interviews: 6 >Resumes sent to recruiters: ~20-30 > interviews: 0 > >Job websites used to post profile: 10 >Job sites viewed regularly: monster, hotjobs, dice, computerjobs > >Companies that were willing to interview/hire: managed security >services, security software vendors, financial, manufacturing, >IT R&D, universities. > >So what got me the job was this list!! However, the most effective way was >to utilize my professional contacts (hehe, kinda evident). Using job sites >might be effective if you are willing to live with a tiny yield. Finally, >while I would not want to start another round of recruiter bashing on this >list, but my experience shows that they CAN be totally useless. It is >rather unfortunate and counter-intuitive, but even using monster was more >effective than "professional" search firms. I had my share of fun >recruiter encounters... -------------------------------------------------------- S. Rooney; seanat_private rule #15; Bureaucracy is a challenge to be conquered... With a righteous attitude, no tolerance for stupidy, and a heavy tank regiment when necessary --------------------------------------------------------
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