hrm, Its topics like these that bring out the best in the *development* field. Stanley, while I'm sure your hate for skriptkids is no less than any of the rest of us, surely it hasn't blinded you to sarcasm, which _hopefully_ is what sween was using. If not sarcasm then possibly just a good old fashion "sick of the world/industry/life" rant. Whatever it may be, I do believe that just possibly this thread has gotten out of hand and would harm no one by killing it. On Thursday 06 September 2001 08:35 pm, Stanley G. Bubrouski combined enough 1's and 0's to make the following: > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, fintler wrote: > > > Now why would you possible want something like that...if you were an > > > > sooooo you can drive an industry and root somebody's solaris machine and > > prove to SOMEONE's company that this computer security bullshit isn't > > just a fad and that are not wasting 60K a year for a "security" expert to > > hover over security focus mailing lists and apply patches to expensive > > operating systems that were shipped broken in the first place. > > > > this industry needs an old fashioned ass whoopin. > > > > You owe script kiddies... BIG TIME. > > The computer and software industries owe script kiddies NOTHING. Script > kiddies bring down sites, wreak havoc on networks, use compromised as > platforms for attack and all without knowing how what they are using works > or what harm they are doing. > > The people owed thanks are the people who find and report vulnerabilites, > who attempt to offer fixes and workarounds, and yes people who write and > publish proof of concept code and tools. > > But there is a huge difference between supplying a proof of concept and > using one to gain unauthorized access to companies system. > > > GET OFF MY LIST. > > This is list is to discuss vulnerabilities, not promote script kiddies as > the great fucking guardian angels of corporate America. Get real. >
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