RE: [7.8.2002 44916] Notice of Copyright Infringement]

From: Rob Shein (shotenat_private)
Date: Fri Jul 12 2002 - 10:17:25 PDT

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    More to the point are the key copyright words, "without express written
    permission."  I would feel very comfortable betting a month's salary
    that being hired to look for copyrighted materials by the owner of that
    copyright in this fashion is just that kind of permission.  :)
    
    On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 04:27, Kayne Ian (Softlab) wrote:
    > 2 points about this thread.
    > 
    > First, a lot of people have posted responses to the effect of "Unless xxx
    > downloads the file that is supposedly breaching copyright, they can't tell
    > if you *are* breaching copyright or not, thus breaching it themselves".
    > Unfortunately this isn't true (at least for EDonkey). EDonkey creates a hash
    > of the file on your hd, and compares it with the hashes on everyone elses
    > hd. If you're in the middle of downloading the file, Edonkey can be sure
    > it's resuming the same file from someone else (regardless of filename) by
    > these hashes. Therefore to prove copyright infringment, all these companies
    > need to do is to confirm your hashes are the same hashes as a "real" warezed
    > version of whatever movie. Of course the movie house give the company legal
    > permission to download etc the file, therefore they are not in contravention
    > of copyright law. So all the company does is run a donkeybot or similar,
    > scan the network and log all the people who are sharing a file with hashes
    > that match a warezed ver of the movie. Until it becomes illegal to own a
    > checksum of a file...
    > 
    > As a side note, this hashing works against them too. They may have been
    > flooding the p2p networks with "bad" versions of movies, but all any
    > sensible person needs to do is to use a website (sharereactor.com, for
    > example) and use the hash link off there. Providing the website is "true"
    > (and there are enough of them), you'll always be garanteed to download the
    > file you actually want.
    > 
    > Secondly, companies & "entities" in the USA really need to get a damn grip
    > of themselves. A friend of mine received an email from a company saying he
    > was breaching the DCMA etc for exactly the same reason as Keith Tyler. The
    > problem? He lives in the UK, just like me. Sorry to tell you, no matter how
    > much you don't want to believe it (and how many times you put a Skylarov in
    > jail) American law does NOT apply worldwide.
    > 
    > All that said, piracy is of course a crime. Views are my own. Standard
    > disclaimer applies etc etc.
    > 
    > Ian Kayne
    > Technical Specialist - IT Solutions
    > Softlab Ltd - A BMW Company
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
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