RE: TOTAL WIRELESS SECURITY

From: k w (infosecat_private)
Date: Thu Oct 31 2002 - 15:22:42 PST

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    hi,
    
    a few comments, experiences.
    
    > From:     "Rob Shein" <shotenat_private>
    > Date:     2002-10-31 21:56:56
    >
    > Depends...if these areas are small and surrounded by places
    > where cell phones/pagers/etc flourish, there's just about no 
    > way. You're also going to have a problem with cellular 
    > detection in that only law enforcement is allowed to have 
    > devices that scan on those frequencies.  A better bet might 
    
    not true.  if you have a business need for the equipment, you can get FCC permits easily.  examples of "business need" include cellular/paging service providers, "technical service organizations qualified to own such equipment as part of their legally authorized duties"**, infosec auditors / pen-testers, etc.  dealers like bander.com and grove-ent.com, and of course the FCC, can provide you with the necessary info.
    
    you are more likely to meet resistance to use of scanners from local government entities.  ALOT of cities and towns in the US have local ordinances that prohibit the use of ALL scanners - especially while in moving vehicles.  most of those local ordinances do of course provide stipulations that allow permits for certain applications.  in practice, i have found that permits are rarely granted though unless you know how to apply.  you just need to talk to the right local officials, and make sure your permit application is properly worded and submitted.  
    
    sometimes, you simply cannot get a local permit.  i hired a law firm to investigate the legality of these local ordinances, and they are convinced that the ordinances are unconstitutional (several times over).  they were more than happy to fight pro bono if the need ever arose.
    
    > merely be jamming them all, but that is also illegal under FCC
    > regulations.
    
    again, not true.  lots of businesses in the US use jamming equipment, and it can easily be bought in the US.  check out Netline or Wireless Tech.  casinos commonly use "jamming technologies".  the FCC just has not yet specifically *legalized* jamming.
    
    Regards,
    
    ken williams
    
    p.s.  I love the Internet.  great place to buy all sorts of neat electronic equipment.
    
    ** http://www.grove-ent.com/professional.html
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