Re: "download" caps

From: Jp Wise (jpwiseat_private)
Date: Wed Nov 27 2002 - 03:22:28 PST

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    Likewise as Peter said, traffic here in New Zealand (and I believe most of
    Australia also) has already moved most of the plans to a byte charged system.
    
    The user purchases an account with xyz MB/month, over & above that they pay so many
    cents per MB. Some having a different charging rate for national vs. international
    traffic. The national traffic being cheaper.
    
    Both the Cable & ADSL providers in NZ work around that philosphy.
    
    I've personally encountered exactly what you described. I ended up loosing 500mb on
    a 10gig/month plan at one stage, when someone decided to perform a mini DDOS. 500mb
    in 2 mins, on a 128kbit/s link. Most of the data never reached me, but as far as
    the ISP was concerned it was destined for me, so I get the bill for it. I should
    probably consider myself lucky they didn't leave it going for a couple of hours.
    But it's a case in point example of how easily it could affect someone.
    
    Not quite a vuln-dev type thing, but a seemingly steady trend in the ISP market.
    
    Jp.
    
    Peter Gutmann wrote:
    
    > J Edgar Hoover <zorchat_private> writes:
    >
    > >I'm wondering if you could effectively DoS a capped account for a month by
    > >sending a lot of unrequested data.
    >
    > This has happened quite a lot here, with full-rate accounts where you get
    > charged for traffic over a certain level, and rate-limited accounts with no
    > charges.  The traffic is billed based on what heads your way at the DSLAM, so
    > you end up being billed for syn floods, traffic aimed at whoever last had your
    > IP, etc etc etc.  There are no figures on this, but from anecdotal evidence a
    > large number of users are abandoning full-rate for rate-limited DSL which
    > doesn't have this problem (I switched after DSLAM records showed I'd done
    > 130MB of traffic in two days while my external router recorded < 30MB).  It's
    > a pain for everyone, users go from 8MB/s to 128Kb/s, and the provider loses a
    > lot of revenue when people switch to the DOS-proof non-capped (and much cheaper
    > because of the slow speed) accounts.  One possible solution is to run at full
    > rate until you've used your monthly quota, then switch to rate-limited, but
    > apparently the DSLAM technology being used makes this impossible.
    >
    > Peter.
    



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