Along with your list of items to use in defense is one item they mention before every take-off. "In the event of a water landing, your seat cushion can be used as a floatation device." Could also be used to protect you in a knife fight or just bury the bad guy under all those seat cushions. Robert S. Jacobsen Operator/Network Technician Cowlitz Water Pollution Control Plant Mailing address Shipping address 207 Fourth Ave. North 467 Fiber Way Kelso, WA 98626 Longview, WA 98632 (360)577-2020 voice (360)577-2040 voice (360)577-2041 fax cwpcpa@private -----Original Message----- From: owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime.scattercreek.com [mailto:owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime.scattercreek.com]On Behalf Of Heidi Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 18:56 To: Toby Kohlenberg; CRIME Subject: RE: NIPC Daily Report, 30 October 2001 As I stated earlier to Crispin, religion had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make here, it was merely a statement about how complex things are now when it comes to enforcing the law, and how many laws we have to enforce what used to be just a few, simple basic laws. I am not one to not push religion on anyone ever, nor do I want it pushed on me. Sorry if you misunderstood my statement. I happened to see that statement in an e-mail I received and thought it made good sense. Sorry for offending anyone, that was not my intention. As far as defending oneself on the airline, try thinking more about using your body for self defense, and things such as blankets and pillows for defense against a knife attacker, fire extinguishers, your fingers make fantastic weapons in the eyes, your knees, feet, and using your head, in more way than one, hitting them with your head is often a surprise to the attacker, and using your head to think about what you will do next. Heidi -----Original Message----- From: Toby Kohlenberg [mailto:toby@private] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:04 PM To: Heidi Cc: Crispin Cowan; CRIME Subject: RE: NIPC Daily Report, 30 October 2001 On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Heidi wrote: > use at present. Yes, they may be taking away nail clippers, but you do have > other more effective ways to defend yourself and help others on the airplane > if you are in a threatened situation. Certainly with the smart people in our > group, there must be some good ideas out there for helping to improve > things. A side note; we have over 35 million laws trying to enforce 10 > commandments. Heidi Crispin replied to most of this more eloquently than I care to take the time to. I will reply to a couple things- 1. I generally carry a knife that I am comfortable enough with that I could defend myself or my family if necessary. Now they are forcing me to put that away when I am on the airplane, I could start carrying fighting sticks, but why? 2. The fact that the laws are trying to enforce the religious tenants of one single religion is one of the biggest problems with those laws. Maybe if people weren't trying to force their religions down each other's throats, we could spend time doing more interesting things, like say playing with big computers? Your religion is not mine, so why should Our laws, be based on Your beliefs that I do not share? toby
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