RE: NIPC Daily Report, 30 October 2001

From: Heidi (mcps@private)
Date: Fri Nov 02 2001 - 18:56:00 PST

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    As I stated earlier to Crispin, religion had nothing to do with the point I
    was trying to make here, it was merely a statement about how complex things
    are now when it comes to enforcing the law, and how many laws we have to
    enforce what used to be just a few, simple basic laws.  I am not one to not
    push religion on anyone ever, nor do I want it pushed on me.  Sorry if you
    misunderstood my statement. I happened to see that statement in an e-mail I
    received and thought it made good sense.  Sorry for offending anyone, that
    was not my intention.
    
    As far as defending oneself on the airline, try thinking more about using
    your body for self defense, and things such as blankets and pillows for
    defense against a knife attacker, fire extinguishers, your fingers make
    fantastic weapons in the eyes, your knees, feet, and using your head, in
    more way than one, hitting them with your head is often a surprise to the
    attacker, and using your head to think about what you will do next. Heidi
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Toby Kohlenberg [mailto:toby@private]
    Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:04 PM
    To: Heidi
    Cc: Crispin Cowan; CRIME
    Subject: RE: NIPC Daily Report, 30 October 2001
    
    
    On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Heidi wrote:
    
    > use at present. Yes, they may be taking away nail clippers, but you do
    have
    > other more effective ways to defend yourself and help others on the
    airplane
    > if you are in a threatened situation. Certainly with the smart people in
    our
    > group, there must be some good ideas out there for helping to improve
    > things.  A side note; we have over 35 million laws trying to enforce 10
    > commandments. Heidi
    
    Crispin replied to most of this more eloquently than I care to take the
    time to. I will reply to a couple things-
    1. I generally carry a knife that I am comfortable enough with that I
    could defend myself or my family if necessary. Now they are forcing me to
    put that away when I am on the airplane, I could start carrying fighting
    sticks, but why?
    2. The fact that the laws are trying to enforce the religious tenants of
    one single religion is one of the biggest problems with those laws. Maybe
    if people weren't trying to force their religions down each other's
    throats, we could spend time doing more interesting things, like say
    playing with big computers?
    Your religion is not mine, so why should Our laws, be based on Your
    beliefs that I do not share?
    
    toby
    



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