On Sunday 04 November 2001 21:33, Crispin Cowan wrote: > Mark Morrissey wrote: > >On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Crispin Cowan wrote: > >>My main comment on CRIME is that it should switch from Majordomo (which > >>is a pain in the ass to manage) to Mailman (which is much easier to > >>manage, and has excellent spam control options). > > > >I assume, at this point, that Crispin is volunteering Wirex to host > >CRIME? PSU has deep experience with majordomo and I can say with pretty > >good authority that the CRIME list doesn't cause any pain to the support > >group. > > No, just offering my experience of running lists at WireX using Mailman. > I just hate trying to use Majordomo. Majordomo has had some serious security risks in the past as well. (It would be bad publicity for the CRIME list to get hacked.) > >If whoever is the owner of CRIME wants to make it a closed list, well, > >that would stop *some* spam. > > I advocate closed lists (only subscribers can post). It cuts WAAY down > on spam: in my experience, it cuts it to zero. Under Mailman, a closed > list presents non-subscriber posts to the moderator, rather than > rejecting them out of hand. I don't know if Majordomo can do that. I have found that a pain for people who read and post from multiple machines. Bouncing all messages that do not have the list name in the "To: or Cc:" fields seems to work just as well. Has there actually been any spam on this list? I have only been on it a short time, but the only complaints of spam that I have seen were over off-topic posts, not actual spam. > WireX's lists are closed, and it works very well. Occasionally people > try to spam it, but I'm the only one who sees the spam. Occasionally a > non-subscriber posts something topical, and I pass it through. Spam > out-numbers the non-subscriber topical posts, so this arrangement works. Are any of those spams sent to the list directly or are they all Bcced? > > If they also want to make it so that the > >owner has to approve all subscriptions, well, that won't stop all spam > > now will it? > > Spammer's never bother to subscribe to a list just to spam it, because > to do so they would have to provide a valid return address, as well as > working pretty hard just to spam one little list. Their entire approach > is based on massive lists and low-effort per addressee, so they never do > any dilligance. It would also require reading comprehension and the proper use of capital letters. Not skills spammers ever have. (MLMs are worse. They failed math as well.) > >sigh. politics. > > Advocacy. It's all up to George, and I'm not going to dispute how he > runs his list. These are just suggestions, and I have not seen George > post lately. Should people worry about FBI agents making lists? ]:>
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