Doesn't anyone see the irony of even being able to have this deabte? We have freedom of speech. If we didn't we could not even have this discussion. That's what makes the country great. Each of us is entitled to our opinion. In Oregon there is also the issue of a statute that indicates that no person can be questioned unless they are suspected of a crime. Civil liberties are never taken away in big pieces, thgey are eroded. as Thomas Jefferson said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." He was talking about the citizenry watching out for what the government is doing. The fascists in the 30's took away rights slowly and piece by piece. Look what happened there. I applaud any decision that upholds individual rights. I am deeply troubled about the 9/11 attacks and the loss of life, but that is, in my own personal opinion, absolutely no reason to take away anyone's rights. Thanks for listening. -----Original Message----- From: webb1973 [mailto:MSN/webb1973@private] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:13 PM To: Crispin Cowan; crime@private Subject: RE: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland Yeah. Way to go, Chief. I'm sure the families who lost loved ones on 9-11 will enthusiastically support your politically correct decision. And, if, and when one or more of the 200 non-citizens does something to contribute to more deaths from another terrorist activity, they'll fully understand your decision not to ask questions because it was the politically correct thing to do. Isn't America great! -----Original Message----- From: owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime [mailto:owner-crime@/var/spool/majordomo/lists/crime]On Behalf Of Crispin Cowan Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:29 AM To: crime@private Subject: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland for defending civil liberties http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/national/21PORT.html?ex=1007363873&ei=1&en =978%20a71dca117098f Note: the above URL requires free "registration". You can access the article using the user-ID/password combo of "cipherpunks/cipherpunks" or "wirex/wirex". Crispin, card-carrying member of the EFF :-) -- Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html
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