Well, I respectfully disagree with you and I'm sure that you didn't mean to
infer that I am being unreasonable, thoughtless or unprofessional simply
because I have a different take on the matter.
After conducting criminal investigations for 11 years, I think people are
creatures of habit and often times travel the path of least resistance.
Look at the amount of non-essential E-mails containing theoretical debates
and spam. Look at the number of persons leaving the mailing list.
I don't dispute that a charter is needed, the question is - is it enough?
Who will moderate this new forum? Who has time to undertake it?
Not trying to be difficult. :) As I stated weeks ago, I joined CRIME to
obtain and pass along useful information dealing with information security
issues and the like.
Jeffrey B. Korte,
Information and Physical Security Manager
FirstConsumers National Bank
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Crispin Cowan
<crispin@wire To: Jeffrey_Korte/HR/FCNB/Spgla@private
x.com> cc: crime@private
Subject: Re: CRIME IMPORTANT SECURITY UPDATE INFORMATION
12/11/01
04:34 PM
Jeffrey_Korte/HR/FCNB/Spgla@private wrote:
>Do you really feel that a charter and referring off-topic issues that
>should go more appropriate forums alone will curtail the amount of
>non-essential E-mail communications?
>
Yes, I do. As someone said to me moments ago in private e-mail, CRIME is
composed of reasonable, thoughtful, professonal people. That means that
these reasonable people can follow reasonable rules that are put to
them. The problem at the moment is that there are no rules at all to
follow.
I have been participating in, managing, and creating forums like this
for 15 years[*]. A charter is the very first thing to be applied when
there is any kind of managability problem. You then get more draconain
(enforcing rules, such as closing the list to subscribers only, and
enforcing moderation) if & when the list members show that they cannot
follow the stated rules.
IMHO, CRIME desperately needs a charter (because there are no rules to
follow) but does not yet need moderation (because I believe most people
here know how to follow reasonable rules). We just need to decide what
the rules are.
Crispin
[*] For amusement value, here is my first USENET post back in 1987
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crispin+waterloo&start=100&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1990&rnum=140&selm=8447%40watrose.UUCP
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crispin+waterloo&start=100&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1990&rnum=140&selm=8447%40watrose.UUCP
>
and here I am orchestrating the split of rec.skiing into four sub-groups
in 1994
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crispin++rec.skiing.snowboard+rec.skiing.nordic&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1994&rnum=19&selm=rec.skiing-reorg-CFV1.1%40uunet.uu.net
<
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crispin++rec.skiing.snowboard+rec.skiing.nordic&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1994&rnum=19&selm=rec.skiing-reorg-CFV1.1%40uunet.uu.net
>
Massive props to Google for providing the net with a 20 year archive of
USENET http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html
--
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.
Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com
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