Re: CRIME Perspective on Criticisms leveled at Microsoft

From: Alan (alan@private)
Date: Fri Apr 12 2002 - 15:24:37 PDT

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    On Friday 12 April 2002 02:37 pm, Toby wrote:
    > Alan writes:
    > > > I think the fact that Graham designed an intrusion detection product
    > > > (BlackICE now the core technology in ISS's RealSecure) is demonstrative
    > > > of his commitment to building solutions that are neither a nuisance or
    > > > an inconvenience. In fact, I would argue (although I have a rather
    > > > obvious bias here) that Mr. Graham's technologies are some of the least
    > > > intrusive security products that still deliver outstanding
    > > > capabilities.
    > >
    > > I tend to prefer ZoneAlarm.  BlackIce has had too many problems in the
    > > past for me to trust it very far.
    >
    > Yes, but ZoneAlarm is NOT an IDS. It is a firewall with some other
    > abilities because it is on a host. Run IIS on two systems- load blackICE on
    > one, load ZoneAlarm on the other. Configure them both to be as secure as
    > possible while allowing HTTP access to port 80. Then run CodeRed (if you've
    > got a copy, or else some other attack if you don't) against them. See which
    > one blocks it- BI will. ZA will not. One is an IDS and watches the traffic.
    > One is a firewall and controls access. IDS allows for the need for
    > untrusted traffic/apps. Firewalls don't.
    
    I have not run it in a while, so the info I have is dated.
    
    One of the reasons I like ZoneAlarm is that it will flag OUTGOING traffic. 
    Makes finding spyware/adware so much easier.
    
    Since I don't use Windows very much at all anymore, I have not investigated 
    the current versions of the apps.  I guess I will have to go back and review 
    the current ones on the Windows side again.
    



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