Re: CRIME Checkpoint versus Sonicwall

From: Toby (toby@private)
Date: Tue Sep 03 2002 - 08:40:11 PDT

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    Andrew Plato writes:
    
    > > I was going to leave this conversation alone but I just have to jump in at
    > > this point. "ISS is the only solution for enterprise IDS as far I I'm
    > > concerned."? That's an interesting thing to say. Have you ever tried to
    > > get the packet logs from a BlackICE sensor when you need to figure out why
    > > you're seeing a false positives? Have you ever had to try and figure out
    > > why you're seeing an alert when you have no way of telling what triggered the
    > > system because not only do you not have documentation on the details of the
    > > protocol engines but the packet log is half empty because only the last
    > > packet in a sequence is caught?
    >  
    > Toby, come on, all of these questions can be answered. You just have to know 
    > who to ask. :-) The BlackICE protocol engine is documented in gory detail in 
    > the BlackICE Advanced Administration Guide - which anybody using a 
    > BlackICE based IDS should have a copy of. 
    
    Notice, I didn't suggest that ISS was the only one (or even that I was
    specifically complaining about ISS).
    I was simply making a point on it. As for the packet logs, you can't fix
    that because ISS won't fix it. <shrug> such is life.
    
    >  
    > If you want, I will send you a copy of this document as ISS does, for 
    > reasons I have never understood, seems intent on keeping this doc
    > hidden. 
    
    I'd love a copy. You can send it here or to:
    toby@private
    
    > And if you're nice to me - I'll send you some "secret" commands
    > that allow you to "look inside" the protocol engine even deeper. 
    
    Puh-lease!?!
    ;)
    
    > >As a manager of mine used to say- I'm a simple man. I don't expect
    > >perfection from my IDS, these days I don't even expect them to be very
    > >good. But I've looked at EVERY commercial IDS I could find and every IDS
    > > technology approach there is and I tell you this-
    > > THEY ALL SUCK. And ISS sucks just as badly (worse in some places) than any
    > > other product. 
    > 
    > You're right to a certain extent here. But you could extend this to probably 
    > every technology ever made. Everything has strengths and weaknesses. 
    
    Ah, no. Other technologies are in much better shape than IDS.
    
    > One word of warning - be very wary of any IDS vendor (or their reseller) that 
    > won't send you some kind of demo/eval copy. There are a few vendors and resellers
    > that still do this and it is lame. You wouldn't spend a dime on a car
    > without taking it for a test drive - same is true of any IDS. 
    
    That makes sense except for appliances, where they may have more trouble
    giving you a box to play with.
    
    t
    



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