I can hit the delete button as well as anyone (and actually usually do when I notice it is from the CRIME mailing list - the ratio of useful info off-topic discussions seems unusually large for CRIME). However, one thing I will point out to many younger members is that over the years, your attitudes and aspirations may very well change. Those of you that dismiss the notion of political office or a major leadership role in a public organization now might very well have a much different attitude when you are 45 or 50. Unfortunately, unlike the 1970s and 80s, when my friends and I might have enjoyed shocking each other with extreme viewpoints (you can decide for yourself whether any postings over the past 12 months represent extreme viewpoints or not) in private discussions, or even unrecorded public forums, everything you say here is part of the public record (you are, after all using a mailing list that is run from a state institution), and may very likely be archived for years. People have lost political appointments and elections in the past for much less than expressing anti-war/pro-war feelings, making atheistic/fundamentalist statements, etc. My points are that this isn't simply a closed discussion among a number of "members", but a publication of your comments that could be around for years, and that it is hard to tell what you'll want to do with your life, 5, 10 or 20 years from now. Just an observation. Warren Carter Ames wrote: > > I agree with Jimmy on this one. I joined this group > for a different reason than to read about politics and > someone's view on the world. Let's all keep focused > on the 'vision statement' if you will of the group and > the reason for its existence. There are plenty of > channels to discuss politics and other issues. > > --> /dev/null > -C > --- "Kuo, Jimmy" <Jimmy_Kuo@private> wrote: > > Sorry, Brian, > > > > Your argument however is that during this period, we > > ought to BREAK our > > normal rules of posting to this mailing list and > > ALLOW political posts. > > > > This simply is not the medium, war or not. > > > > Jimmy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Beattie > > [mailto:beattie@beattie-home.net] > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:48 PM > > To: Farrimond, Ronald - " KN-7 > > Cc: crime@private > > Subject: RE: CRIME > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 10:39, Farrimond, Ronald - > > KN-7 wrote: > > > Is this a form of SPAM??? > > > > What do you mean SPAM? I'm with Crispin, I do not > > understand how my > > opinion that this, or perhaps other wars are > > unjustified, translates > > into disrespect for any class of individuals. I do > > not accept that > > dissent must cease when we go to war. I am reminded > > of the former POW > > who related the story about how while being held in > > Hanoi he was shown a > > picture anti-war protests taking place in the US and > > was told that this > > was evidence of his folly, on the contrary he > > observed, this was why he > > was fighting, to preserve the way of life that he > > cherished. To forgo > > those freedoms now would be to squander the blood > > and sacrifice of those > > who have risked and those who have made the ultimate > > sacrifice. You are > > of course entitled to your opinion. If you are > > fighting for an America > > where everybody has the freedom only to express > > support for the > > government, or the military, then sir I am ready to > > fight you right now. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@private] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:16 AM > > > To: Alesha R. Adamson > > > Cc: crime@private > > > Subject: Re: CRIME > > > > > > > > > Alesha R. Adamson wrote: > > > > > > >It isn't funny. Some of us put k-pots on our > > heads and practice shooting > > > >people because we might have to. Speaking for > > myself, entertainment at > > the > > > >expense of respect for my fellow servicemen, is > > sickening. If I require > > > >humor I will read the funnies. > > > > > > > I see this all the time, and it confuses me. The > > sarcasm is aimed at > > > administration policy, not the servicemen. How > > does mocking the wisdom > > > of starting a needless war with Iraq translate > > into disrespect for the > > > brave men & women who get sent into harm's way? > > > > > > Crispin > > -- > > Brian Beattie | Experienced kernel > > hacker/ > > beattie@beattie-home.net | embedded systems > > programmer, direct > > www.beattie-home.net | or contract, short or > > long term. > > > > "Honor isn't about making the right choices. > > It's about dealing with the consequences." -- Midori > > Koto > > -- ====================================================================== Warren Harrison, EIC/IEEE Software Magazine warren@private Department of Computer Science http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~warren Portland State University PHONE: 503-725-3108 Portland, OR 97207-0751 FAX: 503-725-3211
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