Re: CRIME query on radio text message security

From: Matthew Brown (mattatpredictive@private)
Date: Sat Sep 06 2003 - 13:59:37 PDT

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    John
     
         First, let me thank you for participating in the MARS program. I spent most of my 13 years in the Air Force overseas (Philippines, Germany, and Turkey). I used the MARS program for MWR purposes on several occations.
     
         Second. While I was in the military I used many cyrpto systems, there were two main types. On-line encyrption is usually transparant encyrption and we used it mainly on our TTY circuits. There was also the difficult off-line method so we could use insecure circuits to send above secret communications.
     
         My idea stems from the off-line idea. If you use an off-line encryption, which is encrypting a data stream before you send it with a private key and then decrypt it on the other side with the same private key, you will be able to to this with relitive safety proved you use a strong encyption and a complex private key. You can also use something like PGP to use a private/public key combination. Let me know off of this list if I can assist in this area.
     
    Regards,
    Matthew Brown
    
    John E Jewkes-AAA0OR-AAA0ID <aar0mi@private> wrote:
    In the MARS program, we have never needed previously a 
    'protected' mode for sending our raw text messages via radio
    Teletype (RTTY) operations, as the majority of the traffic was 
    morale and welfare traffic for Armed Services Personnel and
    their families back home. As such, almost ALL of our radio to
    computer interface work is done using modified amateur radio
    digital traffic programs. 
    Now that MARS does much more support and reporting
    of incidents to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, FEMA, and so on.... 
    Does anyone know of a method of more securely sending these
    reports with 'encryption'. (MARS is still under a 1953 Mil Regulation
    that prohibits our encryption of messages, stating that only 'CIA
    or INTEL' personnel can initiate an encrypted message, and that even this
    
    must include 'plain language' headers for delivery addressing). 
    We simply need something that is not readily available as
    shareware 
    or freeware, and limited in commercial usage. A couple of twists for you
    on 
    this next question: One: All but a handful of our members are volunteers,
    and
    most are retirees, so big $$ are out of question, as MARS receives
    minimal
    funding at best, mainly designated for operation of the various
    radio/data
    gateways around the world, HQ staff and recruiting of volunteers.
    TWO: program would have to be simple to install and operate as again,
    many of the volunteers are retirees and not many know the more
    sophisticated
    programs/OS commands, etc.... 
    With that in MIND, does anyone know of such a program currently
    in design
    or testing, or know of someone with the expertise to do so? Best of all
    worlds would
    be soundcard based, with a simple interface between soundcard and radio
    for transmit 
    and receive, and again be a non-readily available protocol, that is easy
    to install, 
    setup and operate, and can interface with the MARS Messaging System
    easily..
    
    TIA
    
    Signed,
    John E. Jewkes, SMD US Army MARS Oregon/Idaho
    OR/ID State Director (Portland METRO Area Resident)
    Confidential Phone Number (Confirm Only) 503-977-0527
    National HQ (24/7) Identify Line: 1-800-633-1128 ext 1
    
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