re: Pagefile for reader/dumpers NT?

From: Buck Buchanan (lbuchanaat_private)
Date: Wed Jul 31 2002 - 13:08:04 PDT

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    Hi,
    
    Bypassing the file system and directly accessing the disk can easily dump
    any disk block.  Disk Probe from the NT Resource Kit can do this.  The hard
    part is figuring out which blocks the pagefile(s) is/are using.  I am not
    aware of any easy to use "script kiddie" tools that will accomplish this,
    but would like to find one.  Another way to access the pagefile(s) would be
    to use a kernel level debugger.  This is not for the faint of heart.
    
    If the attacker has access to the contents of the pagefile(s), they already
    have full control over the system.  With the obvious exception of decrypted
    passwords, making sense of the contents is going to be something of a
    challenge.  Since the attacker has already been caught blowing smoke, I
    would tend to agree with H C's assessment.
    
    Pmdump.exe is limited to dumping a process's current image, and can easily
    miss pages that had been used and then freed.  It will also miss seeing any
    surviving pages from processes that have terminated.
    
    B Cing U
    
    Buck
    
    
    
                                                                                                                        
                        H C <keydet89                                                                                   
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                        07/31/2002           Subject:     re: Pagefile for reader/dumpers NT?                           
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    > I have an attacker who claims he was able to read
    the
    > contents of a live NT pagefile which helped him
    attack
    > further. So far, we have shown that a few of his
    other
    > claims are without merit, but this one has stumped
    me.
    
    You may have answered your own question...both
    technically, and in the fact that this attacker's
    other claims are "without merit".  Could be all
    boasting just to throw you off...
    
    I am not familiar with any tools that do what you
    describe...the only thing that remotely comes close
    that I know if Arne's pmdump.exe utility from
    NTSecurity.nu...and that doesn't work specifically on
    the pagefile.
    
    Carv
    
    
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