This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msA4DC89AA1780CEB6698153E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Crumrine wrote: > Gee, I wonder where Netranger from Wheelgroup, CMDS from SAIC, > SecureNet Pro from Mimestar, Axent's product (Forget the name) or Cybercop from > Network Associates (Netranger clone) were in this so called "test". > Let me guess, NFR won right? I didn't even read the article, but that would > be my best guess. Come on, hype is just that. Marcus and Ted Doty do a > good job of plugging their products for free. These Magazine guys wouldn't > have a clue to what they are looking at. If they did know what they were > doing, they sure as heck wouldn't be working for some magazine. Of course > they probably didn't go into the real issues like , ease of use, ease of > setup and configuration, numbers of installed units, any meaningful > criteria...etc. You could have at least bothered to read the article first before making such silly assumptions. WheelGroup's NetRanger was used by the IBM solution and Network Associates' CyberCop wasn't supplied by NA for some reason. Their tests and criteria seemed reasonable thought out and applicable to the real world. They did discuss issues like ease of use, interface, distributed management capabilities, reporting and other "meaningful criteria." NFR/Anzen, RealSecure and the IBM solution with NetRanger all tied with Abirnet SessionWall taking fourth place. As for Marcus, he is quoted (as he often says here) that IDS is of questionable value. So, tell us who pooped on your parade? -- Bruce K. Marshall, CISSP - bkmarshat_private - Feist Communications 2424 S. 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