Re: Jobs thread, CISSP, et al.

From: Paul Cardon (paulat_private)
Date: Fri Feb 18 2000 - 11:26:42 PST

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    "Robert G. Ferrell" wrote:
    > I have absolutely no desire to revisit the 'value of certification' debate of a
    > few months ago, but I have one quick observation to share concerning the
    > certification process.  I took the CISSP exam earlier this month, and the
    > several weeks of intensive study in preparation for it were invaluable.  For any
    > of you out there who are like me and are simply too busy to read nearly as much
    > as you'd like on emerging technologies or advances in extant ones, this enforced
    > discipline is priceless.  Simply as a result of the exam preparation process, I
    > now understand tedious (to me) things like risk management and elliptic curve
    > cryptography a lot more thoroughly than I did before.
    >
    > What I'm trying to say here is that, while I will readily concede that
    > certification has its good and bad points, the focus it takes to prepare for the
    > exam was, at least for me, well worth the money spent on registration.  I doubt
    > that I would have ever been able to justify to myself the singleminded
    > concentration on truly comprehending some of the more difficult security topics
    > that I found necessary to feel reasonably comfortable taking the test.  Despite
    > my job title, I spend at least as much time as a WAN engineer, data telecomm
    > consultant, programmer, and Unix sysadmin as I do on InfoSec, so absorption of
    > new information tends to be gradual and haphazard.
    
    I see the CISSP and Common Body of Knowledge (CBK) review as a survey of
    a broad range of security topics and terminology that any security
    professional should know something about.  The big picture is usually
    valuable in making specific implementation decisions.  However, the
    CISSP designation is not able to certify that somebody has specific
    technical expertise and I don't believe that is its intention.  (I
    briefly discussed this with Hal Tipton, one of the senior class
    instructors and a generally respected security professional).
    Unfortunately, it is too often used that way by headhunters and hiring
    managers and some people with the designation take advantage of that
    fact to obtain positions for which they really aren't qualified.  That
    is a common problem with all certifications.
    
    I just went through the review class myself.  It is pretty solid in the
    policy areas.
    
    However, I felt that the technical areas are weak in two ways.  First,
    the Cryptography, and Telecommunication and Networking sections of the
    review class contain numerous errors when they attempt to go into
    technical detail.  I'm not just complaining though.  I plan to feed back
    corrections and references that verify those corrections so that the
    review materials can be improved.
    
    Second, the Application and Systems Development section has several
    general weaknesses.  The Handbook of Information Security Management
    that also provides CBK related papers is very sparse in this area.  It
    is a difficult area to teach because of its own breadth and I believe
    this weakness is a reflection on our specialty as a whole and not just
    the CISSP materials.   There are relatively numerous security
    professionals with strong operating system and/or networking expertise.
    There are far fewer security professionals with strong knowledge of
    application design and database security.  There are a handful who know
    all of it.  Most of us just don't have that much time in the day.  I do
    it through use of the little hourglass gadget from the third Harry
    Potter Book.  ;^)
    
    These are some of my observations.  Take them for what they're worth.
    
    -paul
    



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