RE: Random Thoughts from the "Peanut Gallery"

From: Masongsong, Manny (Manny_Masongsongat_private)
Date: Thu Jun 21 2001 - 14:00:11 PDT

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    Hey guys,
    
    For all it's worth, I got contacted by one of the big 5 as they are looking
    for 125 people who can start as soon as possible. If you have UNIX knowledge
    and LDAP experience, these security positions are available right now.
    Please do not hesitate to contact the person below. I already told her I
    will be posting the position(s) here. As soon as I get the job description
    for the 125 positions, I will post it immediately here. What's described
    below is for a security architect job that they need right now in Vancouver.
    For those who are not familiar with our city, it is ranked by the United
    Nations for many years now to be the best, if not among the best places to
    live on this earth. So don't dismiss it. Check it out.
    
    Not sure what this brings to the discussion table as far as job availability
    goes. This is about the fifth time in a couple of weeks that someone looking
    for experienced IT security personnel has contacted me. Unfortunately, I've
    only been with my company for 3 months and not exactly looking for another
    job. But I think there are lots of opportunities out there. For some strange
    reasons, just when I'm not really looking, I seem to see a lot more security
    job openings now that the IT job market is supposed to be "bad".
    
    As far as recruiters is concerned, if they find you a job that meets your
    and the company's requirements, then that's great. They've done their job
    and earned their dollar. Everyone should be satisfied - you, the employer
    and the headhunter. No one's promising that recruiters are supposed to care
    about you after the deed's done. Unless, of course, there are more jobs for
    them to fill and you're willing to move again. Their priority, as it is
    their business, is to place someone to a position that needs to be filled
    and make their money from that transaction. If they place someone who is not
    qualified, they will most likely lose future business opportunities with the
    company. So, in most cases, technical recruiters represent the interest of
    the businesses looking for positions to be filled rather than the interest
    of job-seeking applicants. You may be the best in your field, but if your
    qualifications and "qualities" do not match the company's requirements,
    you're out of luck. And don't blame that on the recruiters. They're just
    doing their job. Dirty and cold? Maybe. But that the way life goes. No one
    said life is fair. I learned that lesson a long time ago.
    
    Anyway, please check out the posting(s) below.
    
    Regards,
    
    Manny
    
    Manny R. Masongsong
    Corporate Technology Security Manager
    Information Technology
    Canaccord Capital Corporation
    P.O. Box 10337 Pacific Centre
    2200-609 Granville Street
    Vancouver BC Canada V7Y 1H2
    Tel: 604.643.7757, Fax: 604.643-7374
    Website: www.canaccord.com
    E-mail: manny_masongsongat_private
    
    
    Here's the posting:
    
    
                                 Position Profile
    
    PricewaterhouseCoopers Technology Risk Services
    PricewaterhouseCoopers  LLP  has  been  the  industry leader in information
    security  for  more  than  25  years.  Our  global  presence,  unparalleled
    expertise  and in-depth knowledge of cutting edge products and systems have
    made us the first choice service provider.
    
    Our  Technology  Risks  Services  practice  works  in  partnership with our
    clients  to  help  them identify risks and correct vulnerabilities in their
    information  systems,  as  well  as  help  design  enterprise-wide security
    architecture  and  implement  secure  information  protection mechanisms to
    safeguard  the  integrity  and  privacy  of  e-business  communications and
    transactions.
    
    We  are  seeking  experienced  Security  Professionals  to join our team at
    various levels and locations including Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa,
    and  Montreal.  These  opportunities  are at the Senior Associate to Senior
    Manager  level  and,  as  part of a team, will be focused on providing high
    quality security solutions to new and existing clients.
    
    Key Competencies
    Potential  Candidates will possess demonstrated knowledge with the security
    of  networks  and  the  development of enterprise-wide security strategies.
    They  may  also  possess a solid understanding of Web Technology and secure
    e-business,   have  experience  with  PKI  and  related  products,  and  be
    experienced  in  firewalls,  VPNs  and  remote  access.  At the more senior
    levels, in addition to the aforementioned skills, you will also have strong
    business  development  skills  with  a  proven  track record of selling and
    managing engagements.
    
    Candidates  must be familiar with, and be able to, apply generally accepted
    security methods, concepts, and techniques.
    
    Enterprise Security Architect (Vancouver) Focus:
    We   are  looking  for  security  professionals  with  enterprise  Security
    Architecture  background  to assist clients with determinig the appropriate
    level of information security for business by performming:
       Comprehensive information risk assessment
       Conducting  security requirements analysis ( Security assessment, netwok
       review, network penetration issues).
       Analysing   and   creating  secure  information  systems  environment  (
       evaluating  firewalls,  router  configuration,  LAN's  WAN's  as well as
       i9nternet security policies and procedures.
       Conducting GAP analysis. ETC
    
    Contact:
    Anurita Joshi
    PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
    Executive Search
    Tel: (204) 926-2400 Extension: 3520
    E-mail: Anurita.a.joshiat_private
    Web: www.pwcglobal.com
    
             All discussions will be handled in the strictest confidence.
    
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Steve [mailto:steveat_private]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:38 PM
    To: cdupuisat_private; securityjobsat_private
    Cc: kenat_private
    Subject: RE: Random Thoughts from the "Peanut Gallery"
    
    
    
    >I think that it is not all that bad for everyone out there.  Making bold
    >general statements about recruiters and other consulting companies is
    >presenting a picture that is not necessarily true.
    
    
    Well, for the most part, I agree with Ken's statements about 
    recruiters.  *MOST* of them do not actually care about their target, they 
    simply want to fill a position and collect their pay.  The exception to 
    this from my experiences is the team at LJ Kushner and the guys at TeKData 
    in Vancouver.
    
    >It is obvious from your message that you are bidder about your situation
    but
    >that does not mean other people are all in the same situation and that all
    >recruiters are twits.
    
    
    It is very unfortunate, but there are more "twit" recruiters out there than 
    good ones.
    
    
    >Last but not least,  I have seen big five consultants that are damn good,
    >just like any other field out there, you have good and bad apples.  Making
    a
    >general statement saying all big five consultants are useless or comparing
    >them to bad recruiters is not giving a real view of what is going on.  I
    >know some big five consultants that could most certainly teach you a few
    >tricks.
    
    
    I agree with you here.  I have met and worked with some guys at E&Y who are 
    very technical and very good at their jobs.  But, on the other hand, I have 
    met some others at another Big 5 (starts with a K) that did not have a 
    clue.  So again your mileage will vary and when you are interviewing with a 
    Big 5 -- be sure to talk to their delivery teams and technical people -- 
    when you are looking for work, it is your responsibility to interview the 
    company just as they interview you.
    
    >The best point in your posting is about Networking,  you have to let you
    >close friends know that you looking for employment,  it is sometimes very
    >strange how offers comes by.
    
    This works best.  That is how I found my last two jobs.
    
    >In my view there is tons of jobs opportunities if you talk to the right
    >people and have the right skills.
    
    I disagree -- things are not as good as they used to be.  Regardless of who 
    you know and what your skills are, if a company cannot afford to hire or 
    cannot justify it -- they won't if they do -- they are doing a disservice 
    to themselves and you.
    
    
    >It is not as bad as you describe for everyone out there.
    
    But it is worse than it used to be and will probably continue to be for 
    another 6 months or so.
    



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