RE: Am I getting the wrong end of the stick?????

From: Douglas Gullett (dougg03at_private)
Date: Sun Sep 15 2002 - 09:57:47 PDT

  • Next message: Kruger, David, 1stLt, AFPCA/IAN: "RE: Am I getting the wrong end of the stick?????"

    I would say that taking a job at ANY company that does not have a formal
    evaluation process is a mistake.  I was unemployed for a year and finally
    took a job with a small 50 employee company.  The recruiter told me that
    they had an evaluation process, but I actually asked to speak with a number
    of the employee's and I actually asked them the question of how often they
    had gotten reviews, and if raises were a part of the review process for
    exceptional reviews.  I also asked them how much of a resource the HR
    department was to them and other employee's.
    
    After lengthy negotiations where I gave a lot of ground and they gave a
    little...I took the job for less than I was worth, because I was confident
    that I would solidify my skills with experience on the job and get more
    "formal" (title oriented) security experience.  I also knew that I had a
    decent chance of getting a raise at review time.  I just got my review and
    was given a 20% increase.  I am still underpaid, but one more year and
    another possibility of a raise like that and I will be in fair market range.
    Then I will have the number of years on my resume to get the upper hand in
    interviews, and when a person changes jobs, they should shoot for around a
    20% increase.  I have a college degree and am planning on starting my
    Masters Degree next year.  I also have a number of Certifications, because I
    know consulting companies like that kind of thing...so do many clients.
    
    One other thing.  Don't think about what others are making.  If you are not
    making that, then it is your responsibility to find the reason and fix it
    (and I am not talking about in that company).  You are the owner of the
    business that is "you"!  You are your own sales force, marketing agent,
    trainer, accountant and CEO.  If pay is important to your job satisfaction,
    then make sure you know how to make it happen in your chosen field.  It may
    take time, study, money, risk, and job changes...but you can make it happen.
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: sean dankers [mailto:seandankersat_private]
    Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:45 AM
    To: securityjobsat_private
    Subject: Am I getting the wrong end of the stick?????
    
    
    
    I work as a govt contractor in DC and have been with my present company for
    a year now.  Previously I was in the Armed Forces for 9 years to give you a
    little background.  Anyways, I went in for a review and was told that they
    do not give formal reviews because they have less than 50 employees.  My
    supervisor then stated that all was to receive was a Cost-of-Living
    adjustment.  I am currently the lowest paid IA analyst on the so-called
    team.  I say so-called because the team lead is one with no IT experience
    and a associates from 1974 in Interior Design and gets a little more than 7k
    than I do.  She has been here only a few months because I was the only one
    working on a 3 person contract.  The newest team member is fresh out of the
    Army working on his Masters and gets 15k more than I do.  I have worked with
    the client to help my company get a new contract and have helped them get
    another federal contract during my time here.
    
    Should I have received more than a COL raise for being a excellent employee
    and surpassing my initial expectations??????
    
    
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