I meant victimless as in the comparison to murders, or terrorists. Hackers do *not*, repeat *do not* kill people. Terrorists do. Yes, you have a valid point, privacy is something to be respected. Back to the point of the discussion - hackers/crackers/script kiddies/virii writers/worm writers *all the 'nasties' of the internet* are *not* killers. They do not belong in federal prison. Yes they are 'cyber criminals', and yes they do violate privacy. Not everyone brought in this world has the best intentions and wants to 'live and let live.' Thus we have criminals. In a perfect world we wouldn't need computer security because everyone would respect each others right to privacy. That just isn't the case - so if your a sysadmin, and you don't take the right steps to secure your computing enviroment, and you get owned, then well, either your in the wrong business or you should have done a better job. Thats how the world is. I wish it wasn't like that - even so, i still can't justify sending a kid to federal prison (even if for a short lil' visit with mr. bubba) -- James ___________________________________________________________ I live in a world of Paradox - My weakness` are your strengths, your wisdom is my stupidity, and your victorys are my losses, a victory that won't last. ___________________________________________________________ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Rick Koenig <rk4028at_private> To: 'br0ken halo' <x_burningat_private> Subject: RE: Civil Disobedience Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:11:34 -0500 I know that this is a very touchy subject and is one that will be debated for years to come. Which is why I will only make one comment. To say that hacking is a "victimless crime" is absolutely absurd, whether its defacing or something a seemingly innocent as looking at information. The bottom line is that there is a victim whose basic rights to privacy are violated. And peoples right to privacy must be protected, at all costs. Or else what are we fighting so hard to preserve? And every hack or attempted hack is a direct attack on an individuals/ organizations right to privacy. Would you like somebody looking through your wallet or worse yet searching your home. I think not and its because you value your privacy. I will never understand why we have to distinguish between electronic and physical privacy. There is no distinction privacy (to a certain extent) is our right and it must be protected, at all costs. And those that are opposed to this bill need to take a long look at why they are opposed. It can't be because one of your basic freedoms have been taken away. It's probably because you are actually scared about the consequences you'll face if you get caught. If that's the case then the LAW has done its job. Rick Koenig, CCNA, CCAI Network Engineer Concordia University @ Austin (Office) 512.486.1170 (Cell) 512.771-6570 (Fax) 512.302.5856 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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