----- Original Message ----- From: "Sould3mon" <Sould3monat_private> To: "br0ken halo" <x_burningat_private> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience > what if there were never hackers and all bug's exploits woulnd have been > "found" or just later on it would mean the internet would be still so > unsafe now programers are watching their backs and test their stuff better > so it's harder to exploit if hackers wern't here a 13 year old could hack > somthing important bank gov and stuff like that and believe or not most > hackers are admin's or security people not that they hack other pc's but > there is no better vieuw of your own network trough a hackers eye's if you > how to hack it you know to secure it (own network ) and you would know wich > information is special vurnable so the true hackers are good other hackers > wich breakin other peoples network are maybe not doing it the right way but > it is the only way that a admin will believe his network is vurnable like > would you admins listen to a email from like 15 year old that say's your > network is vurnable probably most wont take them serrious lets say i would > call email a brand of a program and say i found a bug you can bet on it it > wont be fixed in the week or month's but if theire is a exploit or many > networks get hacked voila and a patch is their in 2 weeks or faster i > think if admins or network security listen to people no matter what their > age is there would be so much hacking as is today most hackers do not > even try to email the person anymore > ** example** i heard about the iss bug and i knew my school had iss so i > warned them even 2 month's (update was already out ) later you could > acces the system trough the bug so just ignored my warning so what i did > was just in the main dir c:\ making lots of difrent dirs with the name > you are vurnable in difrent way's ofcourse i think it were about 10 but > now they listen cuz the fact was there some1 was in the system making those > dirs they finaly patched it (though i honest said i was the person that > made the dirs ) admin din't mind he said i had to listen to you the first > time *** i know the lots of admins here do update's and stuff cuz there > notified of the bugs and exploites but alot don't and there to proud to > listen to a teenager saying he is vurnable i am not saying hacking is good > but i do say without it we would be alot unsafer >
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