The Oregoanian <http://www.oregonian.com/> has more accurate and current information than that contained in this thread. As previously requested, please take this thread to private email. Thanks, Scott FARRIMOND Ronald K wrote: > > Crispin and Andrew, your responses to Ron don't address the main point of > Ron's comment which is that the Portland police are misapplying this law. > As Ron said, if they were to interpret this law the same way that they are > interpreting it in this situation, they wouldn't be able to question anyone > about a crime other than the criminal if they could find them with out > talking to anyone else. How does the Portland police department have the > right to pick and choice when they want to abide by this law...assuming that > it should be interpreted the way the Portland police department has decided > it should be applied in this situation??? > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crispin Cowan [mailto:crispin@private] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:57 PM > To: Andrew Plato > Cc: crime@private; Ron_Deming@private > Subject: Re: CRIME Kudos to Acting Police Chief Andrew Kirkland > > Andrew Plato wrote: > > >Ron_Deming@private wrote: > > > >>A newspaper > >>columnist summed it up pretty well recently: "A rattlesnake > >>in the living room tends to end all discussion of animal rights." > >> > >Speaking metaphorically... > > > I was taught in college not to speak metaphorically. More specifically, > not to *reason* metaphorically. This is because it is all too easy to > construct an entirely bogus argument that sounds good. For an analogical > argument to be valid, you must (emphasize "must") show that the subject > (civil rights) share the property in question (requirement for due > process) with the analogy (animal rights). Near as I can tell, animal > rights does not have any notion of due process, so the above > "rattlesnake" argument is a devilishly persuasive load of crap :-) > > For an amusing example of how bogus an analogy can be, check out the > Monty Python's Oscar Wilde Sketch. "His Majesty is like a stream of > bat's piss." > http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/8889/poetry/mp-wilde.htm > > So, bringing it home to secure network design :-) it's ok to use > analogies for inspiration or explanation, but be sure that your > arguments actually hold up without the analogy. > > Crispin > > -- > Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. > Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com > Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org > Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html -- Scott Elam Sun Microsystems SunIT, Network Security Group, SunCERT
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