The Infragard program followed CRIME by a number of years. CRIME was already well established before InfraGard came to town to replicate what we have in CRIME. InfraGard in Portland is in the process of considering setting up its own separate membership and list. If they do, I'm not sure that even they can keep anyone out there with access from archiving, regardless of what's agreed to--or what the sanction would be for it--save to eliminated the miscreant from the membership. As a courtesey to assisting the InfraGard program's establishment in Portland, It was allowed to be co-located the CRIME group. OTOH, I don't see where the archive itself references InfraGard at all, or earmarks which posts are form InfraGard members and which are not. Now that we know the archive is there, if there's heartburn about it, it's creator may be willing to switch it off. However, CRIME, since its inception, has been a public group and list. It has over 350 subscribers. Geo -----Original Message----- From: Lyle Leavitt To: crime@private; Zot O'Connor; George Heuston Sent: 4/22/02 1:52 AM Subject: Re: CRIME Archive of list on the web Looking for a clue....... It was my understanding (which may have been incorrect) that CRIME (crime@private) was to be a private moderated list and was limited to those individuals who had submitted an Infragard "Non-Secure Membership Application". That application contained the following optional clause. "Does the InfraGard Applicant intend to protect from public disclosure its relationship with InfraGard, and request that members of lnfraGard protect from public disclosure the InfraGard Applicant's relationship with lnfraGard to the full extent permitted by law?" http://www.infragard.net/applic_requirements/ns_member_app.htm Am I mistaken about this list? According to Majordomo@private, CRIME is NOT a public list. However, the content of INFO from Majordomo makes no reference to InfraGard. Please, could Zot or George clear this up so we can move on. -Lyle Crispin Cowan wrote: > I have no problem at all with the list archive. I don't believe that any > permission was needed to create an archive. Anyone who postd a message > to this (or any similar) mailing list with any expectation of privacy is > clueless, and gets what they deserve. As Greg said, unless you > personally know everyone on a list, treat it as if it is archived, > because it very likely is. > > Crispin > > -- > Crispin Cowan, Ph.D. > Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com > Security Hardened Linux Distribution: http://immunix.org > Available for purchase: http://wirex.com/Products/Immunix/purchase.html
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