Arrrgh, this is infuriating! What that HR rep told you is absolutely 100% unadulterated illegal!!! It doesn't matter whether it was off the record or on a bill board - that is blatant age discrimination, and I hope you won't stand for it! Not only is the employer flat out illegally discriminating against you based on your age (and by the way, you are in a protected class - see below), but that HR Rep should be fired for participating in this criminal activity, too. Employers market or not - this is so wrong! I hope you realize the importance of taking this to task, and immediately contact the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) in your region. There are criminal penalties associated with this despicable behavior! The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/adea.html) The following is taken the text of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (Pub. L. 90-202) (ADEA), as amended, as it appears in volume 29 of the United States Code, beginning at section 621. The ADEA prohibits employment discrimination against persons 40 years of age or older. The Older Workers Benefit Protection Act (Pub. L. 101-433) amends several sections of the ADEA. In addition, section 115 of the Civil Rights Act of 1991 (P.L. 102-166) amends section 7(e) of the ADEA (29 U. S.C. 626(e)). It shall be unlawful for an employer: To fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual or otherwise discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's age. Good luck, William. I hope you do not stand for this! Colleen Nelson Certified Security Solutions, Inc. 2018-156th Avenue N.E., Suite 100, Bellevue, WA 98007 main: 425.748.5027, fax: 425.748.5028, mobile: 425.922.5028 mailto:colleen.nelsonat_private www.certifiedsecuritysolutions.com -----Original Message----- From: Simon, William M. (Getronics) [mailto:simonwmat_private] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:14 AM To: 'El C0chin0'; securityjobsat_private Subject: RE: Salary Cap's PLEASE! What is irritating is when you get the call from HR, and the HR rep considers him/herself to be an expert negotiator, and refuses to give you any indication of salary range at all, but instead demands your salary history. Having worked as a consultant for several years, I've made anywhere from 48K to 110K per year, depending on client and project. If you tell the HR rep 48K (extreme low end, taken when times were tight), they presume you will accept 46K for the incredible opportunity of working for their magnificient company. If you tell them 100K, they say "Thank you" and you fall into the Black Hole. I recently had an HR rep tell me, off off off off off off OFF the record, that I lost a position due to my age, which is 45. Companies, she explained, no longer seem to want long term employees who want a stable environment they can retire from. Companies want young, super-charged, degreed certified test-passers who are also self-styled genuises that come in, put in 3-5 years, and move on so the parent company does not have to pay retirement benefits. Face it guys....it's an EmployERS market right now, and they damn sure know it. > -----Original Message----- > From: El C0chin0 [mailto:mr.nastyat_private] > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:37 AM > To: securityjobsat_private > Subject: Salary Cap's PLEASE! > > > > > I would like to ask a favor of all you IT InfoSec Recruiters > out there > > using this message board to post jobs. Over the past year > I've read most > > of the job postings. I've submitted resumes only to be asked > if I can > > make gold from sand. I'm usually asked for my salary > expectations and > > then never hear back from them or the employer. > > > > I would appreciate it if the perspective employer wants an entry or > > intermediate level person that they also include their salary > cap. This > > will allow others like me who read through the pie in the sky > expectations > > within the job description and duties to determine the range > of expertise > > the employer is seeking. > > > > Please post a salary cap. Everyone here should not send a > resume in for a > > job unless they send you their salary range. I realize jobs > are hard to > > come by these days but if we allow the current economy to low > ball our > > experience we'll soon be accepting jobs for a few bucks over > minimum wage. > >
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