I'm with you.... Personally I think it's all in mentality... You have people that solve crossword puzzles, hackers and crackers and a whole lot of others.. If somebody just cracks my box as a mental challenge (thus figuring out how to do it himself without scripts n stuff) and does no damage whatsoever and sends me an email stating he cracked my box and did no damage like installing root kits etc I have NO problem whatsoever with the guy/girl, if he cracks my box to down a service/delete files etc it's a whole different thing. Under this law they'll be the same, I don't think that is justifiable... Is there some sort of petetion against this or anything else? If so am I allowed to sign it (I'm from the netherlands, born and raised)? If not somebody might want to set one up... regards On Monday 15 October 2001 16:29, John Thornton stuffed this into my mailbox: > ( Moderator: Please pass this though Blue Boar. Please just allow this > thread even if it is just for a day ) > > In case you have been living under a rock the past few weeks. You should > know that our civil liberties are under attack. Kevin Poulsen wrote: > "Hackers, virus-writers and web site defacers would face life imprisonment > without the possibility of parole under legislation proposed by the Bush > Administration that would classify most computer crimes as acts of > terrorism." > ( http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257, Hackers face life imprisonment > under 'Anti-Terrorism' Act). When you read the news this morning you will > see that this bill was passed by the Senate. > (http://www.securityfocus.com/news/265, Senate passes terror bill). > > I will say that most of the readers of this news group are not hackers but > Network Administrators that are very involved with the Security Community. > That is why I am asking you, not to report minor scans against your network > to the abuse department of any ISP if this bill becomes law. > > I as a Network Administrator for many years now have been on a routine to > check my logs for scans against my network every morning and send the logs > of attacks to the abuse department of the ISP. I encourage every Network > Administrator I ever talked to follow this practice to this day. It is my > job Network Administrator to report these attacks on my network, it is what > I am paid to do. However if/when this bill becomes law I will no longer > report these attacks and I urge every Network Administrator to join me in > this Civil Disobedience Protest against this bill. > > If/When this bill becomes law, Hackers/Script Kiddies will no longer be > looked at as just kids messing around with computers, but as terrorists. > Just as the press started to tell the difference between a criminal who > uses computers and a Hacker. Now they all are just going to be terrorist. I > have a problem with this. > > Perhaps you think this could not happen to you. Well I would suggest you > read the story on Jerome Heckenkamp ( http://www.freesk8.org/ ). I > contributor to BugTraq who wrote a exploit for qpop who is now facing 16 > counts of computer crimes, a maximum sentence of 85 years, and up to $4 > million in fines. After Qualcomm reported him to the FBI. This case is > harsh now, just imagine if this happen under the 'Anti-Terrorism' bill. > This could happen to you. > > Again, I have always felt it was my duty to report attacks against my > network to there ISP. I looked at it as doing my part to make the internet > more secure. I figured it is a good lesson for the kid to have his service > taken away. If this bill becomes law then its no longer just some kid > getting his service taken away. It is something that can escalate to much > more and could result to some kid going to jail for a long time. I will not > be a part of it even if there is just a slight possibility that this can > happen. I want nothing to do with it. > > I ask each and every one of you to join me in this protest. It is not to > late to make a difference. Once you lose your right you will never get it > back. > > Thank you for your time, > John Thornton - jthorntonat_private > Editor in Chief > Hackers Digest - www.hackersdigest.com > > H A C K E R ' S D I G E S T > -------------------------------------------------- > Issue 2 comes out November 1st. Will you get it? > -------------------------------------------------- > www.hackersdigest.com
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