Re: Job question.

From: Drew Dolopo (tom_bienat_private)
Date: Thu Feb 17 2000 - 14:29:15 PST

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    okie doke, my question is this: what would be
    considered a "lie", how would you catergorize
    "experience" with "expertise"?
    
    for example, i'm a CS senior, but due to money
    contraints i'll have to "try" to enter the workforce
    soon. throughout my years messing with computers i've
    gotten my hands dirty with various things (languages,
    apps, hardware, etc.), as alot of people have. but
    let's be honest here, is it truly possible to maintain
    that level of "expertise" on everything? i don't think
    so. as a student you learn, and then you move on. as
    an admin (i've heard, and been told) that learn what
    you have to, then you "streamline" that knowledge.
    
    so when in fact you do get tested by a person for the
    job, what if you're a person who knows the information
    by sight/practice rather than refrence?
    
    
    and about headhunters, i can see why people don't like
    them, most come off as smug, and all of them collect
    resumes like kids collect pokemon cards........."i
    choose you, senior security architect..........with 10
    years SunOS admin experience, and 13 years of apache
    knowledge", heh, classic, but necessary. i guess.
    
    
    drew dolopo
    
    
    --- Eleanor Harris <Eleanor.Harris@EVOLUTION-PLC.COM>
    wrote:
    > Hello all,
    >
    > Interesting questions and answers flying around;
    > tips for candidates
    > from an HR recruitment person who comes from a
    > 'head-hunter' background
    > with technical knowledge also.
    >
    > 1.	Quite right - never lie - especially if you are
    > going for a security
    > role - it
    > 	will be found out either at interview or if the
    > company does
    > background
    > 	searches to verify all qualifications / job roles
    > and salaries as we
    > do. We
    > 	also ask for examples of work which gives you a
    > great insight as to
    > how
    > 	you code / plan a project etc. If you are going for
    > a security role
    > and there
    > 	is even a hint of a lie on your CV you are going to
    > be binned.
    >
    > 2.	Further yourself as and when you can - either
    > through courses or by
    > 	building your own Linux network at home - I have
    > given the thumbs up
    > 	to people who have proof and are continuously
    > pushing their
    > knowledge boundaries
    > 	either in the technical sense of if you work for a
    > consultancy in
    > the business sense also
    >
    > 3.	If you don't like the way an agency or
    > 'head-hunter' is dealing with
    > you then
    > 	either go direct or move to another agency. It is
    > always better to
    > get an agency
    > 	who have been recommended to you.
    >
    > 4.	There are hundreds of ways to get to the end goal
    > of getting a top
    > job - some
    > 	go through the proper educational channels, some
    > have landed on
    > their
    > 	feet in other ways but hard work and knowing the
    > right people. If
    > you are keen,
    > 	enthusiastic, able and hard working that is all an
    > employer can
    > really ask for.
    >
    > 5.	Have a clear career goal in mind - people like to
    > see a bit of drive
    > in individuals
    > 	with goals and objectives set that you want to
    > achieve. It also give
    > the potential		
    > 	employer an clear idea as to what you want to do to
    > see if they can
    > match your
    > 	expectations.
    >
    > I hope this helps anyone who is looking for a new
    > role out there. Please
    > feel free to rip
    > my comments to shreds!!
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Eleanor
    >
    
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